Posted by Eric Galaviz | 13 Comments
Is Anonymous Fighting For Gamers, Or Just Hackers?
After the settlement Hotz had this to say, “I do not like censorship, and I do not like censoring myself. Rest assured I am still fighting the good fight, in the best way I know how.” His statement, of course, doesn’t mention the fact that the hack allows people to mod online games and play pirated games. So this begs the question, do Anon, or Hotz, or any hacker out there care that the hack allows gamers to pirate games? Do they even think about the developers or the people who work on creating the game for us? After some mixed feedback Anonymous received when they took down the PSN, one member was almost pleading with the PS3 gamers by saying, “Before you judge us, take the time to understand us.” Personally, I’m not really sure if we can do this, since they claim to be sticking up for our freedom, yet seem to be doing the opposite.
I think by “our” they really mean a minute portion of the gaming community that wants to hack their consoles to pirate games or cheat online. Like I said, I have no problem with that, but when it starts to affect me then I have a big problem with it. When anonymous took down the PSN, they left millions of gamers without the ability to play online, watch Hulu or watch MLB or NHL. Anonymous, in fighting for “our” freedom, ultimately took that away from us. By fighting for the rights of those who wish to exploit the system, they fight against gamers’ right to privacy and right to play games that we’ve paid for the way they were meant to be played.
In this most recent attack, we can’t be sure if it was or wasn’t Anonymous, but it is possible that the outrage over the Hotz lawsuit got the attention of other hackers. Furthermore, this new attack goes beyond cheating and pirating games, as Sony revealed that the hacker(s) has accessed the personal information of many Sony PSN users. So again, who are you fighting for, Anonymous? If anything, you should be coming out against the hacker(s) who stole our information, and do what you can to find out who did this. After all, this current breach doesn’t affect Sony so much as a company as the consumers whose privacy they’ve invaded; the same consumers you claim to be fighting for.
I mean, really, what’s the goal here? Is Anonymous trying to show game companies that they don’t have the right to protect their consumers and developers from hackers? When is it going to stop? Why not go after the governments that made it illegal to sell R4 cards in stores? Why not go after Infinity Ward for releasing patches to stop people from using modded controllers? Why not go after Bungie for banning people who used the Halo 2 hack? Are they going to go after Microsoft for console banning all those who modded their Xbox 360s? Are issues such as these going to be ones that Anonymous plans to continue fighting?
The next generation consoles are on the horizon, and you’d better believe the manufacturers will be doing everything they can to prevent modding and piracy (in fact, the 3DS already allows Nintendo to supposedly brick a system remotely if it’s been modified or used for piracy), so will Anonymous continue to fight for hackers’ rights in the next generation of consoles? Ultimately, these attacks can cause companies to implement stronger security in their consoles or games, which could once again negatively affect the consumers Anonymous supposedly pledges to protect.
I’m just confused as to what the point of all of this is. PS3 gamers have been without PSN for just over a week now, and although Anonymous members say their attacks aren’t meant to shut down the PSN, can we believe them? Sure, it’s not clear what Sony is up to or if they indeed needed to shut down the PSN to find the source of the hack. But in the end, the only people that have suffered from the original mod, Anonymous’ attacks, and the most recent attack are the majority of gamers who don’t want anything to do with hacking.
Most of us just want to play games. Anonymous isn’t fighting for me or 90% of the gaming public who don’t hack their consoles; they are fighting for a small percentage of the population who ultimately want to exploit a system and when you do that, you should be held accountable. If Anonymous decides to continue to attack Sony, when will Anon draw the line? Is this going to continue to be a fight that they want to pick with every gaming company that wants to protect their games? We want to know what their real goal is. If Anonymous is hated by as many gamers as I think they are, why don’t they just stop all of this, if they really are fighting for us?
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Phil Lieberman, CEO and founder of Lieberman Software issued a statement this morning in reaction to the PSN outage.
“Taking a baseball bat to a hornet’s nest is never an advisable strategy,” Lieberman explained, “Sony’s strategy in defending its intellectual property was heavy handed and has triggered the “nuclear option” with those that it engaged. Perhaps Sony could learn a few lessons from Microsoft in how it has handled Xbox 360 and Kinect intellectual property.”
Doesn’t matter who the hackers are, Sony and the idotic fanboys that follow them caused this with their hubris.
I def think Sony took the most aggressive action towards the hacker, however it was bound to happen sooner or later. Microsoft only banned people from getting on Xbox Live which is fine but doesn’t solve the issue of being able to pirate games. Nintendo and Sony have basically ignored the piracy issue on portable systems and developers have already refused to make games for the systems because of it.
So to an extent I agree that Sony maybe went at this the wrong way but like I said someone was going to have to at some point. Games are expensive to make, which is why publishers want to try to limit the number of used games sold and which is why pirating the games is such a big issue. Just look at how the PC gaming industry has suffered from it. But to say that the Sony “fanboys” caused this issue, now that’s just idiotic.
Anon caused this, don’t blame the people for wanting someone who exploits the system to pay for doing so. If Anon didn’t get involved in what seems to be a losing battle since they don’t speak for us gamers, then no one would have ever wanted to go after Sony in the way they did.
I think many people forget this fact. The reason M$ can just ban them is simple… They’re paying more for games. This appears in every aspect of Xbox vs PS3. Look at some of the preorders!
Dead Rising 2:
Xbox:
Better CE
Offered a avatar costume (amazon preorder)
Case Zero
Case West
PS3:
2 themes
I can cite many more references to this, but its quite clear. If someone threw money at you… would you say no over piracy?
The real problem here is not what anyone said, or what Sony should/shouldnt have done… It’s more so; can hackers take responsibility? I am not going to drag out the tired X is to blame for Y cause of Z defense. However you look at some of the hackers like Geohot and…
Made that rap video.
Posted the private key.
Constantly kept the topic relevant.
etc
These people should catch an episode of “press your luck”. You can only spin so many times before you Wammy out. Geohot hit that limit; yet hes suppose to be right still? Sad reality we live in…
I think that all this problems where propously made by sony in order to pretend that anon is responsible for such attacks to make people think that everybody that is against sony will be the bad guys from all the things that are happening now on that company.
u really think sony would sacrifice millions of dollars along with worldwide headlines about the issue which negetively effects the company JUST so people would think anon is responsible? yea right, take a hike
Is it really that hard to believe? look at how hard all PS fanboys have rallied crying for blood…
Did sony just strengthen its fan base during the course of getting hacked, blaming it on a group with no spokesperson, and keeping it down for and extended period of time? yes…
Did Sony manage to turn their customers against their peers such as Geo, whos goals werer to make the playstation experience better for everyone? yes…
Did Sony simply not give a f*ck about security to the point where they didn’t care if a hacker got your info? YES
IN FACT THEY CARE SO LITTLE ABOUT YOU, THEY WAITED HOW LONG TO INFORM YOU YOUR CREDIT CARD/BILLING/INFO WAS STOLEN? AT LEAST ENOUGH TIME TO BUY ENOUGH PS3S TO BUILD A SUPER COMPUTER, AND BMW DEALERSHIP OF CARS. THEY DON’T GIVE A SH*T ABOUT YOU, AND YOU DON’T GIVE A SH*T ABOUT YOUR PS3 PEERS THAT ARE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU.
that is exactly why no1 gives a flying f*ck that your precious PSN is down, I hope you never get an XBOX cause this kinda sh*t wouldn’t fly
hopefully someday you will be able to see that you are sheep being hearded into the wolfs jaws at which point you will have absolutely no say what you can do with a sony product you bought… if they tell you to use your 2000 dollar console as a paperweight, sucks to be you. Hell they may start suing you for throwing away a broken controler, after all its not your property, its sony’s
I always thought these people watched Robin Hood and got the wrong idea from it. I always thought the PS3 would remain unhacked as looking at the wii; it covers every base but 2!
Things people hacked the wii for that the ps3 has:
Out of region support
Out of region download (in fact installing another update will brick your system =P)
Free Internet
Playing videos
etc
What the ps3 was missing were obvious… IE Piracy and lack of cheating. In terms of powers Sony offers more than the Xbox yet people often take this for granted…
Moving back on topic… I dont think Annon is behind this attack; nor am I certain there really was a hack. I could explain the reasoning, but ill leave that out. I believe Annon are attention *****’s who’re riding a wave of hype. This isn’t the movies where some hackers can take over the world via a special memory stick. Annon is most likely aware of the problems of being named so they do things in the shadows, but its just reasonless besides attention.
Case in point! Prior to Geohotz I never heard of them, but I did know of Geo. Post Geohotz… they’ve become a household name on the PSN and knowledgeable gamers.
good points, before this Anon stood for much more important issues than being able to mod your PS3′s, at least that’s what i thought.
OpSony was clearly carried out “by hackers, for hackers”. They had to know that their tampering with the PS3 would enable piracy and in-game hacking; they just didn’t care.
The persistent attitude of “we wants what we wants” defines these sort of people, blinding them to the fact that *they* were the reason Linux was removed from the PS3. Refusing to accept any sort of responsibility, Anonymous then resorted to their standard DDoS attacks, and stalking the children of Sony employees.
It all indicates that Anonymous desires power more than anything else. It isn’t about “freedom”; it’s about nobody being able to mess with Anonymous.
I completely agree with you. I’ve been saying it since the beginning, they aren’t fighting for us, they are fighting for people like them. Its like politics, where whoever’s in power, oh I don’t know, manipulates the poor into not wanting to tax the wealthy.
Anonymous are fighting for people who will hack the system, not us. I lost a lot of respect for this group when they started this fight because they’re making an argument based on a false ignorance. They are arguing that people will hack for reason’s other than pirating and cheating and they are right to an extent. There is a percentage of the people who wouldn’t pirate and cheat, about the same percent that used Linux on the PS3.
I don’t know how everyone else feels, but I have always been offended when people use few and specific examples to persuade people to join a cause that will negatively effect these same people or a general majority of people.
Anyone within Anonymous reading this, you guys aren’t fighting for me. There was a time when I respected you for guarding wikileaks. But that time has passed.
I am alone one man. I do not forgive. I do not forget.
exactly I actually respected Anon for what they were doing with Wikileaks but this just seems to be a strange battle that they wanted to pick and I’ve really lost respect for them, especially since they aren’t responding to fans who are clearly upset.
ANONYMOUS was the FIRST to call for the class action lawsuit against Sony. Even before the idea dawned upon gamers. Please correct your article, sir.
http://www.chronicle.su/editorial/playstation-network-users-to-file-class-action-lawsuit/
There is a growing divide between AnonOps and the greater Anonymous collective. AnonOps often acts in ways that upsets the greater collective. Sonygate is a perfect example.
Do not forget that the greater collective is ALWAYS in charge of Anonymous and includes gamers. Just because AnonOps bans gamers does not mean that AnonOps is in charge.
PSN is not “bcak up nao.” It’s still down and the outage expanded to Sony’s PC games on Monday.